How Passionate Speaking Can Be Deceiving.

by Gordie

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I just read a blog post on Don Power’s blog called David Risley Disappoints. The point of the post was that Don was feeling pretty let down by David Risley’s latest Webinar.

I didn’t see David’s webinar, so I’m not going to comment on that. What I want to comment on is a remark made by Don Power in regards to David’s presentation style:

“Even a little more genuine enthusiasm like what you see from Yaro Starak or Gideon Shalwick would have gone a long way to convince me that David has not only a product you’d want to invest it but a personality as well. Now, I suppose this approach was not entirely a bad thing. It seemed to prove that David does indeed have a “no hype” style and that is usually a good thing. But for a guy who has a background in marketing and who advocates the importance of selling on emotion, one would expect a little more sizzle to get people fired up about his ideas.”

Certain accents and intonation can be mistaken as a lack of enthusiasm.

It seems that these days not being a fiery or passionate speaker is becoming a handicap. People are wrongly equating enthusiastic speaking as meaning one is passionate, while one speaking calmly and quietly is being interpreted as a lack of passion or just plain boring.

I’ve watched several of David Risley’s videos. Sure, he’s pretty laid back, pretty monotone and has a deep voice, but that doesn’t mean he lacks passion regarding his message and product. David works very hard because he’s passionate.

I’m naturally even more monotone than David is. Do you know why? It’s because of my accent. I was born and raised in New Zealand. I learned from my linguistics studies at university that the New Zealand accent has the flattest intonation of all English speaking countries. However, it doesn’t mean I lack passion.

David Risley is from Florida, and to my recollection don’t the speakers in the southern states of the United States speak in a slower and more laid back manner? Isn’t it just possible that different speakers speaking with perceived varying degrees of enthusiasm is in part due to their place of upbringing and their accent?

On the whole, don’t the North American accents sound more confident and passionate than the British, South African, Australian and New Zealand accents? However, when I hear non-Americans giving a talk or presentation, I don’t feel that they’ lack passion or are boring.

Some people save their energy for other things.

For those of you who have read Napoleon Hill’s Think and Grow Rich, you may remember Napoleon saying that some highly successful business men control their sex drive and transmute that energy into their business lives. Isn’t possible that you can save your energy in speaking and transmute that energy into other areas such as learning, developing a product, writing, etc?

Being motivated by someone’s enthusiastic speaking is superficial.

If you think the amount of enthusiasm one speaks with makes one’s message any more or less credible, then you’re only looking at the superficial. I think that you have to go deeper than that and examine the message in its entirety, and not just give up after a few minutes because the speaker lacks passion in his speaking. What you’re doing here is using the speaking style for aural masturbation. This’s sad and can have negative consequences.

Dangers of relying on perceived passion in judging a message.

You set yourself up to be more easily deceived.

If you rely a lot on the enthusiasm of a speaker, then you may fall victim to hype. A person with a crap message or product can deceive you just by coming across as supercharged and passionate in the way they speak. Look at Hitler, I doubt he would have been able to get the German people behind him if he didn’t have so much enthusiasm when he spoke. His passion helped to bring people into his evil cause.

Televangelists speak enthusiastically with lots of passion to get their listeners to fork over their dollars – it doesn’t mean that they’re any more connected to God than you. Anyone remember what happened to the American televangelist Jim Bakker? He was imprisoned for fraud.

You can blow a lot of money.

You’ve listened to the Internet marketers and paid testimonials. You’ve been wanting to lose that thirty pounds for ages but have never felt motivated enough and now you’re been told there’s a simple, proven way to lose weight quickly with ease. You can hear the excitement in the speaker’s voice and you can’t help but become excited too. The audience around you is also becoming excited. You make your decision to get the product, and find that someone’s sold you a pup. You’re still 30 pounds overweight, and out a bundle of money.

Your motivation can dip quickly after hearing the message.

I like Anthony Robbins’s message and products. However, some people attend his pricey courses because of the way he speaks. They feel he moves them with his passion. The problem here is that once you’re without him, you quickly lose your motivation. His message is still in all the notes you took and his books, but because you were caught up in his passion, you can’t seem to do it by yourself. Your motivation quickly drops.

You miss out on lots of great messages.

If you start watching an online video and think after a minute or two that this dude is boring and dull, and click to another page, then you’ve potentially lost a great message, which may have changed your life. Stop aural masturbating and just listen to the message no matter how enthusiastic the speaker comes across.

Famous successful, passionate people speak with varying degrees of enthusiasm.

Look at the speakers below. You can see a range of enthusiasm from these people when speak or spoke when they were alive.

Enthusiastic sounding speakers.

  • Anthony Robbins
  • Gary Vaynerchuk
  • Martin Luther King, Jnr.
  •  

    Semi-enthusiastic sounding speakers.

  • Seth Godin
  • Napoleon Hill
  • John F. Kennedy
  •  

    Unenthusiastic sounding speakers.

  • Tim Ferriss
  • Brian Tracy
  • Eben Pagan
  • Darren Rowse
  • Steven Hawking
  • Noam Chomsky
  • Richard Dawkins
  •  

    I think many of you’ll agree that all of their messages are full of great content and meaningful. Although the last seven speakers sound are more monotone and speak less enthusiastically, their messages are just as useful and potentially life-changing as the semi-enthusiastic and enthusiastic sounding speakers. I can sit through Eben Pagan’s 45 minute plus videos and hang onto his every monotonous syllable. Even someone like me, a complete dumb ass when it comes to marketing, can learn and see value is his messages.

    How about Darren Rowse? Come on – there’s a knowledge goldmine in that man’s skull for all of us bloggers, whether it be through his written content or video content. If Darren wrote down his content and just read it to the camera, it would still be the same great content, yet many would superficially judge him as boring and lacking in passion. Brian Tracy is very soft spoken and his voice is soothing rather than rousing, but his messages light a fire up under my ass every time and enlighten me.

    Conclusion.

    Don’t judge a person’s message or product by the amount of passion you perceive they have when they speak. Be patient and when listening to a message someone is delivering. Let’s judge the message rather than the perceived amount of passion with which it’s delivered.

    Note: This post is not an attack on Don Power. His post just got me thinking about this topic. He’s a nice guy and a good blogger who you should check out. :)

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    1 Rhys January 28, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Another thing to bear in mind when it comes to speaking is that anybody who spends their days making money online is – by and large – online for a LONG period of time, so they don’t have the social interactivity associated with people who day by day deliver powerful pitches. In the examples given above, I think Vaynerchuk was working for a family wine business before he decided to go online.

    A lot of guys like David step out of their comfort zone doing a webinar, and it’s bloody hard work I can imagine. Imagine 50 people trying to get your attention at one time, through the medium of text, it isn’t easy.

    Hell I sat in on that Darren Rowse webinar, poor guy must’ve struggled.
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    2 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Hi Rhys, :)
    I’m going to be way out of my league when it comes to me making videos and such. However, I’ll just do my best and get some experience and should be able to get more confident and proficient as I make more.

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    3 Eleanor Edwards January 28, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    I agree with what you’re saying for the most part. But there’s a difference between being boring and being laid back. If what someone is saying is boring to the extent that I’m forced to count the ceiling tiles to stay awake, it wouldn’t matter how important their message was, I just wouldn’t hear it.

    Equally, if someone is extremely passionate and intense, that can be a turn off too. No-one likes to feel like they’re being told off by the head teacher ;)

    For me, the message is vital but it does need to be delivered in a such a way as to hold my attention.
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    4 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Hi Eleanor,
    I agree with most of what you say too. :) I’m not preaching that we should be boring speakers, but I’m saying that I truly believe that many people misinterpret people with quieter, monotone speakers as lacking passion or being boring when it’s just the way they speak naturally.

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    5 Stuart January 28, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Jim Bakker was imprisoned for fraud?

    I thought he was best known for shagging his way through his congregation!

    You live and learn.

    (Well, I do. I don’t think he did…)
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    6 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Actually he managed to achieve both. He was a real go-getter, or should that be “go-get-her”? Lol!

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    7 Stuart January 28, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Argh, that’s awful.

    It’s pun-ishment enough for my thoughts!
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    8 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:39 am

    I have to admit that it was pretty bad. Lol!

    9 Don Power January 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Hey Gordie!

    Quite an in depth post here, well done.

    And thanks for all the mentions and kind words too by the way!

    Not to flog a dead horse here but I have to mention that in my prior post to the one you mention here (I’ll commentluv the first of two David Risley posts below – as you’ve already left a link to the “controversial post” above) I complimented David and actually promoted his webinar on the concept of excitement over the idea of “they are coming”. In fact, in that post, I had two commentors suggest that I create a followup post on how the webinar went.

    And that’s exactly what I did.

    Now if the naysayers expected me to rubberstamp or give a thumbs up to the webinar, even if I was disappointed in it – well that doesn’t really sit well with me. I’m going to speak my mind and call em like I see ‘em everytime.

    So that was the nature of my second post – my disappointment that David did not provide real world examples of how bloggers can capitalize on the “coming hordes”.

    My comment that you quoted in this post was certainly secondary to my main argument – but pertinent nonetheless.

    Though I am new to blogging, I have 20 years of experience in the “offline” field of Information Technology. I’ve been to countless tradeshows, done LOTS of public speaking and seen lots of public speakers in my day.

    And make no mistake – Marsall Macluen had it right – the medium is the message!

    You mention Darren Rowse – yah he’s a moby look alike and could win an award from Zenhabits perhaps but I find him to be quite passionate – even though his speaking style is very reserved and low key. Gary V on the other hand is SO over the top for me that I have a hrd time getting his mesasage – or BELIEVING in his message because the “medium” ie: Gary himself , is a little harsh FOR MY TASTES!

    Important distinction here too – FOR MY TASTES. My post was based on my impressions and my experience.

    I have a lot of respect for David Risley – because he is a proven suuccess as a pro blogger and he is a family man (as am I). So there was no personal attack on Risley from me – just a statement of opinion – which is what blogging is all about!

    Viva La Blogga!

    - Don

    (BTW – it’s 3:08 AM Thursday where I am so I don’t have the fortitude to spell check buddy – hopefully its readable!).

    Cheers!

    - Don
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    10 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Hi Don,
    Yeah, I can see how some people are turned off Gary Vaynerchuk’s presentation style, but I like it. However, at the other end of the spectrum, I also like Mike Cliffe-Jones’ posh-sounding calm presentation style. For me I appreciate the variety of different degrees of enthusiasm in different people’s speaking styles.

    Thanks, for taking the time to pop across here so late in your time zone. :)

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    11 Stuart January 28, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Marshall McLuhan’s “the medium is the message” isn’t strictly applicable here… the idea that the delivery channel influences what we think or feel isn’t the issue.

    The “how” is the issue.

    I can use the web to disemminate things all I wish.

    If I do it enthusiastically, you might notice.

    If not, the message is not the medium.
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    12 Don Power January 29, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Hey Stuart;

    I don’t follow your argument. Why is the medium the mesasage only if it is enthusiastic?
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    13 Antti Kokkonen January 28, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Nice comment Don! But get some sleep man, 3AM sounds unhealthy :)
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    14 Don Power January 29, 2010 at 6:14 am

    Hey Antii!

    3AM nights have been standard for me ever since I started blogging.

    But unlike TheInforpreneur, I know I can’t keep this pace up. I’m trying to organize my time so that I can get to bed earlier! hahah!

    Thanks for your comment on my blog – I just replied and referrred you over here – funny!

    - Don
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    15 John Sullivan January 30, 2010 at 5:05 am

    @Don thanks for directing me to this site I like this guy :)
    @Gordy nice work :)
    I had this page open for the longest and just wanted to say Hi
    basically and I read everything :)
    Happy Weekend everyone
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    16 Gordie January 30, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Hi John,
    Thanks for coming along. Don’t be a stranger. Looking forward to seeing you back here again.

    17 Sire January 28, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    The thing is if someone does not narrate with conviction he will lose his audience and if he loses his audience he will fail to get his point across, and if he fails to do that then it’s all been a waste of time.

    I had a teacher who was like that. In the end I learned to switch off completely and learned what I needed to know from the textbooks. As far as I’m concerned, if you can’t speak with an emotive voice to get your point across, then you may as well not be there, because the retentive capacity of your listeners will be greatly reduced.
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    18 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Hey Sire,
    You said you learned to switch off. I think you made the choice to switch off. When I hear Richard Dawkins speak about his theories of genetic evolution in a very monotone way or Noam Chomsky talk about his dissident views on American politics in his monotone way I still don’t want to switch off. It’s the message that’s important to me.

    I think you and I probably both agree that if you’re not interested in the message, then no matter how enthusiastic the speaker is you’re probably going to switch off.

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    19 Nathan Hangen January 28, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Great point Gordie.

    Also, it was a webinar…it wasn’t the product. It was also free.

    Next launch I do I’m going to offer a paid webinar instead to prevent people like this from complaining about free.
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    20 Don Power January 29, 2010 at 6:15 am

    Hey Gordie – I feel the same way about Darren Rowse – his tone is just fine for me. I can tell that he believes what he’s talking about and therefore I can believe in him.

    Check the last line of my blog post to David Risley (commentluv link below).
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    21 Sire January 29, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Not everyone is like you Gordie, there are many you need some semblance of inspiration otherwise they are unable to concentrate and wander off, and I don’t think I chose to switch off, I just couldn’t concentrate on what he was saying.
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    22 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Hey Sire,
    Yes, in fact I’m not arguing against passionate speaking, I’m just defending those who passionate speaking doesn’t come natural to.

    Another thing, I think with kids and teenagers monotone doesn’t go down too well. They have the shortest attention spans of all.

    Cheers, Sire. :)

    23 Antti Kokkonen January 28, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    OK, first of all, any blog post with “aural masturbation” in it goes straight to the blogging hall of fame :) Second, very nice post this. I just spent a good while reading Don’s post and the following commentary with interest and even left a comment myself, and this was a good follow-up.

    I like watching and listening to the likes of Darren Rowse and Eben Pagan, most likely because they present things in a way I personally would do too, without the fire and thunder, just calm voice and the info. I wouldn’t say these guys lack passion and I wouldn’t say the unenthusiastic or “boring” speak is better, it’s just a different style and I like that style more.

    On the other hand, I absolutely hate and get turned off by the “sales pitch style” speaking, which here I refer to as the “American style” (which is bad generalization but anyway), so I understand if someone else doesn’t like some other style.

    I think of myself as “unenthusiastic presenter” and I like listening to those that fit the same category the most – I wonder if enthusiastic speakers like listening to other enthusiastic speakers more than some other style?
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    24 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Hi, Antti!
    First, I’m glad you liked the term “aural masturbation.” I’m very proud of myself for thinking that up. :)

    Ah, so you’re one of those listeners at the other end of the spectrum. That’s interesting that you don’t like the passionate sales pitch so much. Do you think that could be a Northern European thing?

    I’m in the middle of the road when it comes to speaking and sales pitches. I like all varieties as long as the message is meaningful or useful.

    Cheers, Antti!

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    25 Antti Kokkonen January 28, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t know about the Northern Europe thing, I wouldn’t say I present them all :) But for me, if someone goes salesy on me when I’m buying a new TV or sofa for example, I might actually leave and go to another store or at least not buy from that guy (yes, usually it’s a guy).

    But I am with you on liking the useful message, regardless of style, so maybe part of the sales pitch style I referred to, is the lack of real content as well.
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    26 Lisis January 28, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Hey, Gordie!

    It’s kind of hard for me to comment on something so broad and abstract because, as you’ve pointed out, there are LOTS of delivery styles, some more passionate than others, and most will vary in effectiveness depending on what the audience is looking for.

    I will say, though, that a lack of over-the-top emotion in a presentation does not represent a lack of passion. But, if you are a crappy/ boring/ ineffective speaker, then perhaps you should choose a different medium (much like, if you aren’t any good at writing, perhaps videos are more suitable than traditional blog posts.)

    You have to find what works for you and your style… the best way to get your point across. You also have to find your audience. For instance, I love listening to Joel Osteen (though I’m not religious in any way)… I just love his story-telling technique. But I doubt I could have sat through his daddy’s Fire & Brimstone sermons, ’cause it’s just not my kind of thing. But they were each effective with their own styles and audiences.

    I guess it takes all kinds. :)

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    27 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Hi Lisis,
    That’s one good thing with technology is that we’re not all limited to just one or two mediums. On the other hand, if more people want to watch videos rather than read then good messages may be missed out on because people want to hear enthusiastic speaking.

    On the other hand, I think people can learn to speak passionately, even though that’s not who they really are.

    It’s a tough one. Thanks for you input, Lisis. :)

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    28 Lisis January 29, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Just how many hands do you have, Gordie?! ;)

    29 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Oh dear. I didn’t notice that. Lol! I do appear to have one hand too many. :)

    30 Nathan Hangen January 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Great post Gordie, one of the best I’ve read on this site…absolutely.

    The problem I had with Don’s post was twofold:

    1. David Risley Disappoints is a title designed to draw attention. That’s bush league.

    2. Don wanted David’s marketing to conform to him. He kept talking about how he was Dave’s target market, but apparently he wasn’t.

    I’m less than enthusiastic in my videos, but I’m me, and that’s the same me that people get when they meet me in person. No reason to be fake or hype something up that doesn’t need to be. If my product was as good as Davids, then I wouldn’t hype it up either. The proof is in the pudding.
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    31 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Hey Nathan,
    It’s interesting to me that you say that you’re less than enthusiastic in your videos. Can you remember a few months ago that I commented on how you come across so confident and enthusiastic in your videos. It could be due to our nationality differences that we have such different perceptions of the same speaker. Very interesting.

    Cheers. :)

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    32 Nathan Hangen January 28, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Well, I’m laid back I guess…but passionate. But you’re right, the cultural differences are something worth noting :)

    As for the topic, I like Dave’s approach of:

    “I have a great course here. The results speak on their own. I don’t need your money because I make plenty. If you want to do the same, buy BMC, if you don’t, then that’s cool.”

    Of course I’m making my own assumptions based on watching Dave, but I like it.
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    33 Don Power January 29, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Nathan;

    I find your accusations of me using my post/title as linkbait VERY insulting and contradicting your own position on the matter – especially considering you wrote this on YOUR BLOG just over 2 WEEKS AGO:

    Direct quote from Nathan Hangen:

    “You Don’t Have to Agree

    Do you think that Tim Ferriss is full of shit? Tell him…and if not him, then blog about it. Just because someone is an “A-List” blogger or celebrity, doesn’t mean that you have to agree with them. Yes, there’s an obvious benefit to being controversial, but aside from that, people respect people that have an opinion. Frankly, I’m tired of sheep, and I’m guilty of being one too!”

    So Nathan – your own words coupled with your attacks on me means that you, not Tim Ferris or David Risley, are full of shit.

    - Don
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    34 Dave Doolin January 29, 2010 at 7:01 am

    I have to agree with Nathan, one your best articles ever, Gordie.

    In fact, I’m going to have to come back to this, because I have a lot to say, and this topic hasn’t been discussed much around our neck of the woods.
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    35 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Hey, Dave.
    Take your time, brother. Collect your thoughts, come back and fire away. :)

    36 Debbie Ferm January 28, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Gordie,

    You do take the most interesting photos:) I saw the one on Josh Hanagarne’s blog. Ha!

    That’s why I’m surprised to hear you say that it will be hard when you start making videos. I don’t think it will. You certainly are not shy:)

    I agree with your post, by the way, and thought the same thing when I read that. We need all different styles because people are definitely attracted to different types.

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    37 Gordie January 28, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Hi Debbie,
    I actually am shy. Out of my six ex-girlfriends I only initiated one of those relationships because I was so shy in approaching girls. However, as I get older, I get bolder. :)

    Yes, different styles make each speaker unique.

    “Life is many shades of gray and that is what makes life so beautiful.” -Gordie Rogers. :)

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    38 Kevin Tea January 28, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Generally speaking if someone talks to me in a evangelical way I tend to look for the snake oil salesman pitch. I am not a great fan of following A listers but I caught David Risley on one of his Upstream Q&A sessions and although then guy gave the initial impression that you needed to take his pulse every few minutes I felt he came over as interested in what the audience was throwing at him.

    I am very quietly spoken – except when I am watching rugby – but I like to think that my passion, belief etc comes through in my message.
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    39 Mike CJ January 28, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    This is a really, really good post Gordie. I too loved “Aural Masturbation.” Although I am perturbed to learn that I need to channel my sex drive into my work. Not……gonna……happen…….

    As to the content, I’m not going to fuel the fire. It’s pretty clear to me that the title of Don’s post was chosen as link bait. And it’s done well for him in that respect, because here we are talking about him again. And here he is dropping CV details into his replies again.

    In the last 24 hours I’ve learned he’s a philosopher, with a university degree, no less, that he has 20 years experience in the “off-line………etc etc. TAXI!
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    40 Kevin Tea January 29, 2010 at 2:22 am

    >>Although I am perturbed to learn that I need to channel my sex drive into my work. Not……gonna……happen…….<<

    Dunno, you might end up totally ****** after a hard day :)
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    41 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Kevin, you’re filthy humor appeals to me very much! That’s why I like you and Jimmy Carr as well. :)

    42 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Hey Mike,
    Is link-baiting bad? I read a quote by Google’s Matt Cuts the other day and he said that link baiting is basically anything you do to get links. He didn’t make it sound like a bad thing, just neutral.

    I’m not sure myself as I’m pretty innocent an unviolated by you probloggers so far. ;)

    I know people tend to use it with a negative connotation. When is it okay or not okay to use an Internet celebrities name in a post?

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    43 Stuart January 28, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Dear, dear, dear…

    Aural masturbation, although as catchy as a name is, isn’t Gordie’s invention.

    Joe Orton came up with it many moons ago with his play:

    “Prick Up Your Ears”.

    Anyway, that’s not important right now, what is important is that you should go out, massaging your message, making the medium you work with be your own.

    Or letting me get something akin to sleep.

    One or the other should be rewarding.
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    44 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:15 am

    He uses the term, “aural masturbation”? I’ve never heard of the guy or this play. Oh well, if he did, then he gets the credit, but I didn’t plagiarize it. :) Thanks for pointing that out.

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    45 Mike CJ January 29, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Don’t you hate blogs where you can’t edit your comments? Gordie!
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    46 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Yeah, I end up editing comments quite a bit. I wonder if WP has a plugin for comments that allows to add an edit comments function in. There’s no way I’m switching to that evil Disqus though. Lol!

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    47 Allyn January 29, 2010 at 1:42 am

    I didn’t read all the comments, so this may have been addressed already, but… I am a Florida native and we don’t have any accent really.
    Florida is a mix of everyone because northerners retire there and canadians vacation there and sometimes stay. The hillbilly drawl you refer to is found in Texas, Alabama, Georgia, etc… and Risley does NOT have that type of sound. He is just an “un-excitable guy”.. it is a personality issue, not a regional one…i digress… :)

    What it comes down to for me, is that when you sell something, you have to convey that “fire in your belly” for the product or service or you just ain’t gonna come across properly to most people.
    The bottom line is: sales.
    And whether they admit it or not, people like to get sold. The trick is “selling” to people without making them feel like they are “being sold to.” It is a talent, and a skill, and a craft.
    JMHO
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    48 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Hey Allyn, “Master of your domain!” :)

    Great to have you over here. Thanks for teaching me about Florida. I’m an ignorant Kiwi who doesn’t know enough about American geography and linguistic boundaries.:)

    Actually after I wrote this I also thought about the large Cuban ethnic group in Miami. They might have some influence on the speaking there too which would speed things up.

    Yeah, it sounds like a really hard thing to be able to sell without sounding like selling. I used to work in retail in the footwear industry and having a nice chat about the weather and occasionally throwing in the benefit of this shoe or that was normally enough to get the sale. :)

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    49 Rose January 29, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Gordie, I agree! Just because someone’s laid back & has a deep voice doesn’t mean their not passionate about there product. I think I rather do business from someone laid back then someone who is there in your face so to speak.
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    50 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Hi Rose,
    Yeah, I’m learning from this comment thread that people are different and like varying styles. That’s all cool by me. :)

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    51 Robert Bravery January 29, 2010 at 2:59 am

    I didn’t see the webinar either. But certain people are not made for public speaking. We have to understand that. Yes enthusiasm does sell more products. But not everyone can be an enthusiastic oral salesman.
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    52 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Hey Robert,
    I’m not naturally made for public speaking and selling, but I’m going to have to “act” as if I am in future. Not hardcore, but I’ll have to increase the intonation a bit and take a middle of the road approach to attract as big an audience as possible and reducing the risk of alienation. Basically, I have to create a bit of a persona. :)

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    53 Ralph January 29, 2010 at 4:21 am

    Don’t miss the message because of the delivery. Excellant point although you sure managed to stir some people up.
    BTW Florida is not a southern state, culturally, linguistically or historically. No reason you should know that from New Zealand, however. Just FYI.
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    54 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Thanks, Ralph. As I said to Allyn, I’m a bit ignorant of how American geography works. But the main point that you point out is still valid. Don’t miss the message just because of the delivery.

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    55 Hulbert January 29, 2010 at 6:43 am

    Nice post Gordie. Honestly, I have an inclination to not trust people with too much enthusiasm, especially when it comes to marketing. I think if people are selling a product that has actual value in it, there’s no need to hype it up.

    I actually would rather a person sound regular, but knows what they are talking about, than a person who is really passionate, but doesn’t really know what they are talking about.

    Those people you mentioned at the bottom, whether it’s Darren Rowse, Tim Ferriss, or Eban Pagan, are all really bright individuals that have a lot of experience and value to offer.

    Thanks for reminding us to listen to what people are talking about, rather than just fall for the loud hype.
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    56 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Hey, Hulbert.
    Yeah, those guys on the list at the unenthusiastic sounding end have so much to teach just like the guys at the enthusiastic end. They just aren’t naturally enthusiastic when they speak, but they’re vindicated by what they teach. :)

    Cheers.

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    57 Jimi Jones January 29, 2010 at 6:50 am

    Hey Gordie,
    arriving late to this party (road trip), but man, what a fantastic post this is, delivering a great message.

    I will refrain from repeating the obvious but I will talk about that David Risley. Yeah, ole Risley.

    I sat in on that webinar the other night and what I saw was the same David I have always seen. The one, that had he put on a real fire and brimstone performance, would have been perceived as a phony.

    You see, those of us who have known him for any length of time would have been wondering if he had sold his soul to the devil. That’s the attraction to the guy, he’s a laid back for real kind of guy, who has never made any bones about that. My kind of dude.
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    58 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Hey, Jimmy.
    Yes, I think one should be careful too as time goes by not to suddenly go from calm to hyped in presentation styles. If that was one’s goal, then one would be best to build up the intensity over time and if someone asks, just say that you’re now feeling more confident when presenting.

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    59 TheInfoPreneur January 29, 2010 at 7:42 am

    I’m going to echo Allyn a little bit here but FIRST

    I’m no longer going to get involved in arguements between others etc, see my latest post for all this.

    I’m the sort of person who is built from pure fire, like Allyn, we are overtly passionate.

    Now, that doesn’t mean our way is how to market etc etc, anyone who makes money online is doing it the right way, they could be mono tone and dull, some people like that and listen to the information given as apposed to the presentation.

    As I said there are no rights or wrongs in this spoilt little world we live in, but I for one want everyone to succeed. If it doesn’t affect me, then hey guess what it doesn’t affect me.

    Big shout out to Nathan who has given me some of his very busy time lately and Allyn who inspired this comment.

    great community here Gordie
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    60 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Hey James,
    I pretty much 100% agree that there’s pretty much no right and wrong here. In the post, I guess I was saying that it also isn’t wrong to come across in a calm and non-sales pitch way. However, I agree that it’s not wrong to have a more upbeat presentation style, too. I was just defending the former.

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    61 TheInfoPreneur January 30, 2010 at 6:28 am

    hey brother, yeah man you’re doing a great thing here and the comments reflect that!
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    62 Dave Doolin January 29, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Way late to this one…

    You had me hooked really early in this article Gordie.

    Risley’s doing it right in my opinion. He’s doing Risley, and that’s what matters most. I’d love to find out who wrote his copy. I should just ask.

    Also, I like your pictures. Who is taking them? Having such appropriate pictures of *you* is something that clearly sets you apart from others in your niche. In all niches really!
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    63 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Hey, Dave.

    I tell you why I recently started doing my pics including changing all the ones on my older posts, too.

    About a month a go I got an email from a German guy saying that I was was in breach of his copyright for using his pic which he had put up on Flickr. I had just grabbed it off Google images.

    He was nice enough about it and said I should either link to his Flickr page or pay to use it. That was a good lesson for me. In the past I’d been too sloppy in using images from Google.

    I thought to prevent this from ever happening again, I’ll go though all my posts and replace them with pics and images that belong to me or are at least public domain.

    My webmaster takes the photos for me. She does anything I want. :)

    I think you’re right. David Risley is just being himself which is authentic in my book. :)

    Cheers, Dave.

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    64 Brian Armstrong January 29, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Wow great number of comments on this one!
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    65 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Hey, Brian.
    Yeah, it’s been an interesting discussion.

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    66 Eric January 29, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    I feel that as long as you are interested in what the person has to say, the tone shouldn’t really have an impact on your decision to decide you want to buy the product. I’m not going to bash anyone here… I’m just saying that when I hear someone speak, if the message is important to me, I’ll listen.

    Everyone is different, however, and that’s what makes our world so great! :)
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    67 Gordie January 29, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Exactly Eric, except I don’t know if our world is so great. Lol!

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    68 Shane January 31, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Gordie, you are so right about all this!
    Unfortunately, I think the gut-feelings and reactions we get from peoples appearances and from the way they speak can not be overcome. Not easily, at least.

    This is one of the things I also struggle with, by the way: Even when I’m totally excited and enthusiastic about something, it hardly shows at all. So, in my videos, I usually come across as very flat.

    Really great post, by the way!

    Cheers,
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    69 Gordie January 31, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Hey Shane,
    Good to see you here again. :)

    Yes, it’s true. Some of us are conditioned to expect enthusiastic public speaking. I think with your videos as your confidence increases you may slowly find yourself starting to sound more enthusiastic.

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    70 Shane February 2, 2010 at 6:49 am

    Make no mistake, Gordie, I am watching you!

    *makes that macho hand gesture where you point two fingers at your eyes, then the other person’s*

    (even though I don’t comment often)

    71 Ashwin / Thoughts Unlimited January 31, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Gordie,

    Very nicely written. Yes I clearly agree that some extraordinary and useful messages are lost due to the less enthusiastic tones or accents. It may also be true with someone from India – like me! But I think – putting in a little more enthusiasm and working on the tone is something that people who want to teach or inspire others must develop. Good that you brought it out – I must work on this skill :)

    Ashwin
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    72 Gordie January 31, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Hi Ashwin,
    I must also work on this. I come across pretty dry when I speak. That’s why until now, I’ve hidden behind the written medium.

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    73 Keith Davis February 14, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Hi Gordie
    I note your comment “Being motivated by someone’s enthusiastic speaking is superficial”…. unfortunately there is another saying “Facts tell, emotions sell”, which is really saying that we are persuaded not only by what people say but how they say it.

    Never thought about accents playing a part in how passionate we sound, but regardless of accent, we can all try and add some passion to what we say… it gets results.
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